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Agree with you about the pack generally, but not with regard to Haas. In 2021 he was ridiculously consistent and played all three origin games.

He was the Paul Morgan club player of the year and the Gary Balkin player’s player of the year. And Dally M prop of the year. And received the Shane Webke forward of the year. He also won the Wally Lewis award for Play of the Year. And the Julian O’Neil award for the biggest fine issued by the NRL of the year of $50k for intimidating police.

He has of course remained amazing since then, but he hasn’t replicated 2021.

Letting Reynolds leave for Brisbane should always be remembered as Solly’s folly

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Haas was already one of the best props in the game before Reynolds arrived.

Letting Reynolds leave for Brisbane should always be remembered as Solly’s folly

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Reynolds got offered a one year deal with a one year option in favour of the club. So in reality – a one year deal.

If he had got injured the club would have refused the option and haggled him down lower the following year. Or he would have to go onto the open market as an injured player over the age of 30.

It wasn’t the type of offer you make to a player that you actually want to keep.

Letting Reynolds leave for Brisbane should always be remembered as Solly’s folly

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I note that after a few days of disparaging News Ltd the sources of the previous stories, you are now citing Danny Weidler as a source of truth. I take it that you now accept that 24 players were involved?

Having said that – the fact that the punishment was essentially extras of the training activity that the player was (sort of/kind of/not really) late for is more acceptable than if it was purely implemented as a method of punishment.

Also, it would appear that Ciraldo wasn’t directly involved, so he’s not fully responsible. On the other hand, the article indicates that there was apparently a standard set for tardiness (go home) that was abandoned on the fly at the suggestion of some players and a new disciplinary procedure implemented on the spot. So the idea that expectations and standards being clearly set and communicated is evidently not true. Misunderstandings are likely to occur when change is being implemented, but competent management can mitigate any potential damage, and they failed in this instance.

And that last sentence is yet another example of Weidler bungling an attempt to weave a narrative favourable to the person who gave him the story. The player went on leave weeks before the story broke, so the idea that his mental health problems were triggered by external reaction is ridiculous.

Bulldogs need more than a few good men but the truth is club's had years to get a handle on mess they created

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Where does this idea that Bennett was a mediocre player come from? He got selected for Australia.

Letting Reynolds leave for Brisbane should always be remembered as Solly’s folly

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A team undergoing a roster rebuild is usually going to have a lot more turnover than a team that is maintaining a healthy roster.

– Players have to be hired on short term contracts to temporarily fill positions while the club waits for a long term prospect to become available.
– it might be necessary to bring in an old player with only a season or two left in them to allow for juniors to find their feet.
– an team that isn’t in a premiership window is always going to be vulnerable to having players poached.
– it might be necessary to pay overs for a critical player – this can lead to losses elsewhere and that player might move on if any subsequent contract isn’t for as much.

So I wouldn’t be too critical of Gould for a high turnover at a club in the situation that Canterbury is in right now.

Bulldogs need more than a few good men but the truth is club's had years to get a handle on mess they created

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The scenario that lead to the shark baiting was that players were meant to turn up at 8:00am to allow 30 minutes for strapping with actual training scheduled to start at 8:30am. The player in question didn’t need any strapping and turned up at 8:10am, thinking that he was basically turning up 20 minutes early.

Technically he was late to training, but he wasn’t holding anyone up, so the punishment seems heavy handed and unnecessary.

Bulldogs need more than a few good men but the truth is club's had years to get a handle on mess they created

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Toxic:

1. The 20 vs 1 shark baiting of a fringe first grader for dubious disciplinary reasons.
2. An obviously demoralised playing group.
3. Blatant lack of effort by players on the field.
4. The coaching staff openly denigrating the quality of the roster – they are openly contemptuous of their players.
5. The torrent of leaks against the coach.

Bulldogs need more than a few good men but the truth is club's had years to get a handle on mess they created

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Any well managed club,with competent coaching staff, is perfectly capable of setting high standards without resorting the type of toxic conduct on display at Canterbury.

Bulldogs need more than a few good men but the truth is club's had years to get a handle on mess they created

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The problem isn’t that they are being overtrained. The problem is that the club is toxic and the players are being subjected to bullying and bastardisation.

It is no wonder that the players are demoralised and aren’t putting in the extra effort.

NRL News: Ciraldo not sorry over wrestling punishment, Hodgson quits, Raider blasts 'outrageous' fines

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The Canberra times article is subscriber only so I can’t read it.

The article about the Storm talks about a normal training drill. It’s 1v 4. All the players rotate through it. It’s completely different to what Ciraldo made the team do to a single player:

“He was made to wrestle everyone and you can imagine how fatigued he got. It was everyone in the top 30 squad apart from the injured guys,” the player said. “After it happened, I thought ‘what the f**k was that?’ It was pretty ordinary. A lot of players didn’t want to do it.”

That’s quote from a player.

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Yeah – in that article, the storm use ‘shark baiting as a standard training procedure where players form groups where one player has to take down one player after another. Sometimes up to four.

This goes way beyond that. To a stupid extent where success isn’t possible. It’s a scenario designed to pitch the playing group against a single player as punishment.

Come on – this stinks, and you know it.

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Well, there’s an investigation being conducted and the player’s union is involved, so it sounds pretty serious.

NRL News: Ciraldo not sorry over wrestling punishment, Hodgson quits, Raider blasts 'outrageous' fines

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It is well understood that Ciraldo is clearing out the roster.

The way he is going about it is to have 12 players rough up an unwanted, underperforming player. It’s designed to drive a wedge between that player and the rest of the group.

NRL News: Ciraldo not sorry over wrestling punishment, Hodgson quits, Raider blasts 'outrageous' fines

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It’s not like extra fitness training.

It is well understood that Ciraldo is trying to clean out the roster. This is how he is going about it.

Making 12 players gang up on an unwanted player to rough them up and make them quit – which is pretty obviously what has happened here – is inexcusable conduct by a coach.

NRL News: Ciraldo not sorry over wrestling punishment, Hodgson quits, Raider blasts 'outrageous' fines

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It’s not like push-ups or laps around the field.

It’s a scenario where a player gets gradually beaten down and physically dominated by his teammates. He can’t complete evenly against them because he has to fight them one after another until he can’t realistically fight back.

It’s transparently designed to humiliate and the player and alienate him from the rest of the playing group.

It’s toxic.

NRL News: Ciraldo not sorry over wrestling punishment, Hodgson quits, Raider blasts 'outrageous' fines

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You had feet? We would have dreamed of having feet!

NRL News: Ciraldo not sorry over wrestling punishment, Hodgson quits, Raider blasts 'outrageous' fines

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Everyone thought the same thing about the Broncos a few years ago.

NRL News: Ciraldo not sorry over wrestling punishment, Hodgson quits, Raider blasts 'outrageous' fines

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Not sure it happens in every club. If they were already doing it, it’s not a big deal.

NRL News: Ciraldo not sorry over wrestling punishment, Hodgson quits, Raider blasts 'outrageous' fines

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Yeah. People on Reddit did an internet investigation. Next most likely candidate is apparently Kiraz, but I don’t see how he would be in Ciraldo’s sights – he works like a horse.

NRL News: Ciraldo not sorry over wrestling punishment, Hodgson quits, Raider blasts 'outrageous' fines

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It’s probably the equivalent of 2 weeks salary for him. Hardly chicken feed.

Why do rugby league fans always think that fines mean nothing to players?

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Sounds like Canterbury is a toxic hole of a club if that complaint is accurate.
Gauntlet style physical punishments are, even where heavy body contact is an intrinsic element of the workpkace, at best only borderline acceptable provided there is 100% but in from the employees it gets inflicted on.
A new coach can’t just decide that from now on you guys are going to suffer corporal punishment at the hands of a workmate for minor breaches of the rules. That’s potentially a major change to the workplace environment that most people would find unacceptable. If it happened a second time after the player objected to it the first time, it’s a pretty big problem for the club.
A big reason why stuff like this is highly problematic is because it’s (most likely) a punishment that is only ever inflicted on players. It’s pretty unlikely that a member of the coaching staff would be subject to the same treatment if they arrived late to training.

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Jackson Topine is the most likely candidate.

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More like put him in an armlock and marched him out of the premises.

Rabbitohs on verge of unwanted history after historic collapse from top spot to possibly finishing as also-rans

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”…not that there was anything to implicitly suggest his attack on Mitchell had anything to do with race…”

That’s true – it was explicit:

”He is a complete myth who has the aboriginal cause paramount and south sydney second, if at all.”

Churchill's Latrell apology too little, too late with Rabbitohs' season imploding amid ongoing off-field dramas

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